A Conversation Regarding the Universe to be Consciousness

Dean Rose: Today marks the HARMONIC CONVERGENCE arrival of the 9th Wave of Cosmic Consciousness energy from the Number 1 Grand Central Sun leading into the change of 2012 – everybody be sure to radiate the message of love, peace, joy, truth, enlightenment, abundance and positivity!! Our intentions will define whatever future we will get, so think of a good one today and tomorrow!! The Universe is listening…
Me: Damn, I lost my tinfoil hat…

Dean Rose: All is consciousness my friend 🙂

Me: Ok, I’ll humor you on this.

What do you mean and what is your logic?

Dean Rose: Hmmm how to say it easily…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gATE-rvfksQ&feature=player_embedded

Me: You cannot prove that the material world is an illusion. It is possible but unprovable. There is no reason to believe in something which is unprovable.

Dean Rose: It is very easily provable, if you have a powerful electron microscope, you’d be able to see that all physical matter is made of vibrational energy which interracts directly with the mind of the observer, ergo the physical Universe is a product of consciousness. The exterior world comes to our senses as waves of this energy which our sensestransmit as electrical impulses to our brain where we decode the information and build a picture of reality on the screen of our consciousness. What looks like it’s on the outside is in reality, through the looking glass, all on the inside. What is left to prove? I’m sure you have heard the philosophical question if a tree falls over in the woods and there;s no living creature there to hear it does it make a sound? n Well extrapolate that further and ask, if there is no life in the Universe, does the Universe exist? The answer to that question reveals the connection between life and the Universe; that they are one and the same.

Me: “matter is made of energy = universe is consciousness”

That does not follow.

Furthermore, you cannot verify the truth of physical evidence. Thus physical evidence cannot be a rational base for philosophy. Only pure logic can.

Your last post is cluttered with blatant logical fallacies.

Dean Rose: Lol no it isn’t it makes perfect sense. Matter=energy=consciousness. Simple. Your use of articulation may serve you well on the scrabble board but it doesn’t help you solve or debunk this theory. The Universe is a holographic projection of consciousness = fact. And the physical evidence which you state cannot be verified has already been proven by mainstream quantum science.

Me: You don’t have your head around what is knowable and unknowable.

The only things which are knowable with any certain are self-evidences(such as “I think therefore I am”) and axioms which are concepts which must be true because in any attempt to dismiss it you would actually have to apply it(Such as “a thing is itself). Everything else is only our best guess and requires faith to accept as certain.

Dean Rose: The only thing that is knowable is what we know as individuals, we do not know what someone else knows 🙂

Me: Correct. But also there are only certain things an individual can know. I stated these. They are self-evidences and axioms.

Dean Rose: You miss out the wisdom of experience

Me: There is no way to know that anything we experience apart from ourselves is real. It is entirely irrational to base a philosophy off of physical evidence.

Dean Rose: It is irrational to suggest that experience does not constitute reality. Indeed the only thing that is real is what we experience. What a 33rd degree freemason experiences is very different from an Ayahuasquero Shaman experiences, but they are both real. Everything is real and nothing is real. Paradoxes are real too. So is bitter sweet irony 😛

Me: According to the rational ends of this logic which you have attempted to present there is no such thing as hallucinations.

And by the way, it is possible for there to be subjective paradoxes but not objective ones. Don’t know what that has to do with the discussion though. “everything is real and nothing is real” is completely irrational and in contradiction to axiomatic principles.

Be careful about your next move.

Dean Rose: Haha I love verbal chess, I find it intellectually stimulating. It can be difficult to satisfactorily express non-linear concepts in a linear form. Similarly the reductionist scientific mindset fails to adequately explain non-materialism. No I don’t think there is such a thing as an hallucination, just altered states of perception. Similarly if there is only one consciousness permeating all things then there is not true objectivity, just the illusion of separation. And the everything and nothing is real statement was the paradox I was referring to, so the logic of my statement remains intact. My point is, all things in reality exist within self-containing spheres of awareness, and the further out of the small sphere in the centre you move, the more aware you become of the interconnectedness of all things. Thank you for engaging in this refreshing repartee 🙂

Me: I am enjoying this too.

To say that the universe is only consciousness requires faith, due to the fact that it cannot intrinsically be know to be true.

How do you justify this?

Dean Rose: Because the Universe is an Ocean of energy, vibrating at different resonances and overlapping itself. The frequency at which this energy vibrates results in a corresponding field of manifestation. All physical matter is made of (at it’s most fundamental level) this conscious energy within the same area of the spectrum as our 5 senses. All weneed to access higher dimensions or parallel planes of reality is to shift, or elevate, the frequency of our perception. That’s how a Shaman can access the spirit world. For example, the astral and dream planes are real places in this Universe, not separate from us in Space or in Time, but overlapping us right now, just out of our field of perception. A shift in that perception reveals the invisible to us, and at the highest level of all, at the root, or the source, all things are connected as One. One Universal Consciousness. Us 🙂

Me: Are you telling me you have personally experienced a higher level of consciousness which actually makes it self-evident to you that the universe is consciousness?

1. If you say yes you could be right but I personally have not experienced it and thus have no reason to believe you.

2. If you say yes you may be delusional and have no justification in your belief . I still have no reason to believe you.

3. If you say no, only that others have experienced it, than you yourself actually have no justification in your belief. I still have no reason o believe you.

You have narrowed yourself down to three options in which I have no justification in believing you. Two of which there isn’t even a justification for yourself.

Dean Rose: Yes 🙂 I always say if you don’t have the wisdom of experience all you have is second hand belief. I don’t expect you to believe me on faith, you’ll just have to see for yourself what you truly are. Inlakesh

Me: Fair enough. Thanks for the discussion.

Dean Rose: The pleasure was half mine 🙂

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